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		<title>By: BawldGuy</title>
		<link>http://bawldguy.com/for-many-real-estate-investors-losses-can-be-golden-if-you-act/#comment-3747</link>
		<dc:creator>BawldGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 03:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re welcome, Josh -- it was a good question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome, Josh &#8212; it was a good question.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://bawldguy.com/for-many-real-estate-investors-losses-can-be-golden-if-you-act/#comment-3746</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 03:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, so this is something better left to &quot;calling the guy&quot; who usually goes by the name of CPA or Tax Preparer. ;)

Thanks for the clarification Jeff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, so this is something better left to &#8220;calling the guy&#8221; who usually goes by the name of CPA or Tax Preparer. <img src='http://bawldguy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification Jeff.</p>
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		<title>By: BawldGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BawldGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 03:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh -- The amount any given property will generate depends upon the tax preparer used. Some will take the utmost conservative approach, while others will go off the deep end.

First, the land is separated from the improvements, with each assigned a percentage of the total value. (Can&#039;t depreciate land.) The dollar value of the improvements are then divided by 27.5 to come up with annual depreciation. 27.5 is the number of years set by the IRS for residential income properties. It&#039;s 39 for commercial. 

That would be the most conservative way to go. I like a middle of the road strategy which will usually result in 4-5% of the total property value in annual depreciation -- as opposed to about 3% or so using the above example. That would entail calculating separate &#039;lives&#039; for various parts of the property -- the roof would be an example. 

At that point is begins to move from simple to fairly complex if one then gets serious about what&#039;s known as &#039;cost segregation&#039;. 

Don&#039;t ask. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh &#8212; The amount any given property will generate depends upon the tax preparer used. Some will take the utmost conservative approach, while others will go off the deep end.</p>
<p>First, the land is separated from the improvements, with each assigned a percentage of the total value. (Can&#8217;t depreciate land.) The dollar value of the improvements are then divided by 27.5 to come up with annual depreciation. 27.5 is the number of years set by the IRS for residential income properties. It&#8217;s 39 for commercial. </p>
<p>That would be the most conservative way to go. I like a middle of the road strategy which will usually result in 4-5% of the total property value in annual depreciation &#8212; as opposed to about 3% or so using the above example. That would entail calculating separate &#8216;lives&#8217; for various parts of the property &#8212; the roof would be an example. </p>
<p>At that point is begins to move from simple to fairly complex if one then gets serious about what&#8217;s known as &#8216;cost segregation&#8217;. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t ask. <img src='http://bawldguy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 02:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

Great explanation and answer to my question.  Another question in relation to your answer:  Where did you come up with the $5000 figure in the first sentence?  How is what depreciation allowed calculated on a property?

Thanks Jeff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>Great explanation and answer to my question.  Another question in relation to your answer:  Where did you come up with the $5000 figure in the first sentence?  How is what depreciation allowed calculated on a property?</p>
<p>Thanks Jeff!</p>
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		<title>By: BawldGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BawldGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 01:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Brenda, Welcome -- How can depreciation be used to shelter income that was non-existent by definition? When I say &#039;break-even&#039; I&#039;m speaking before tax, not after. Therefore there is no income to shelter. 

Break-even after tax is an entirely different set of facts.

Don&#039;t be a stranger, OK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Brenda, Welcome &#8212; How can depreciation be used to shelter income that was non-existent by definition? When I say &#8216;break-even&#8217; I&#8217;m speaking before tax, not after. Therefore there is no income to shelter. </p>
<p>Break-even after tax is an entirely different set of facts.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be a stranger, OK?</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://bawldguy.com/for-many-real-estate-investors-losses-can-be-golden-if-you-act/#comment-3742</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 01:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The depreciation was not unused. It went toward sheltering the income of the rental from taxation if it was a break-even.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The depreciation was not unused. It went toward sheltering the income of the rental from taxation if it was a break-even.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Coté</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Coté</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are on the same page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are on the same page.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 17:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert -- &gt;An obese person and an anorexic stand on the scale together and pronounce themselves jointly average.

All the while they realize their insistence on maintaining the status quo is shortening their lives as they watch the scale&#039;s pronouncement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert &#8212; &gt;An obese person and an anorexic stand on the scale together and pronounce themselves jointly average.</p>
<p>All the while they realize their insistence on maintaining the status quo is shortening their lives as they watch the scale&#8217;s pronouncement.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Coté</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Coté</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 17:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Improve my investment situation?&quot;  Why would i want to improve my investment situation?  ;-)

The following comment sounds flippant but it needs serious consideration:
An obese person and an anorexic stand on the scale together and pronounce themselves jointly average.  If you have fat properties and starving properties you are not doing okay, you are fooling yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Improve my investment situation?&#8221;  Why would i want to improve my investment situation?  <img src='http://bawldguy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The following comment sounds flippant but it needs serious consideration:<br />
An obese person and an anorexic stand on the scale together and pronounce themselves jointly average.  If you have fat properties and starving properties you are not doing okay, you are fooling yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: BawldGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BawldGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 16:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh -- Unfortuneately I&#039;m graph challenged. :) Let me take another shot.

You own a rental, and it gives you $5,000/yr in depreciation. IRS rules say it will be used to &#039;shelter&#039; the rental&#039;s cash flow first, then you can apply it against your job income. However, if the property is a break even, and you make more than $150,000 a year at work, the entire $5,000 in depreciation has gone completely unused.

If this continues for say, five years, you&#039;ve now accumulated $25,000 in &#039;unused&#039; depreciation. 

So if you then decide to make a move to improve your investment situation, you now may do a tax deferred exchange, but you will be able to apply the unused depreciation, if you choose to do so, against the capital gain you&#039;re deferring. 

Let&#039;s say you need to replenish your Sominex Account. You could take $25,000 in cash from the exchange, offset it with the unused depreciation, and it won&#039;t be taxed. 

Make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh &#8212; Unfortuneately I&#8217;m graph challenged. <img src='http://bawldguy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Let me take another shot.</p>
<p>You own a rental, and it gives you $5,000/yr in depreciation. IRS rules say it will be used to &#8216;shelter&#8217; the rental&#8217;s cash flow first, then you can apply it against your job income. However, if the property is a break even, and you make more than $150,000 a year at work, the entire $5,000 in depreciation has gone completely unused.</p>
<p>If this continues for say, five years, you&#8217;ve now accumulated $25,000 in &#8216;unused&#8217; depreciation. </p>
<p>So if you then decide to make a move to improve your investment situation, you now may do a tax deferred exchange, but you will be able to apply the unused depreciation, if you choose to do so, against the capital gain you&#8217;re deferring. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say you need to replenish your Sominex Account. You could take $25,000 in cash from the exchange, offset it with the unused depreciation, and it won&#8217;t be taxed. </p>
<p>Make sense?</p>
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