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	<title>Comments on: Love High Cap Rates? Me Too &#8212; Ever Ask Yourself WHY They&#8217;re High?</title>
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		<title>By: BawldGuy</title>
		<link>http://bawldguy.com/love-high-cap-rates-me-too-ever-ask-yourself-why-theyre-high/#comment-1856</link>
		<dc:creator>BawldGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, now I&#039;m with ya. Though I&#039;ve done what you&#039;re planning, I strongly suggest you go over to BiggerPockets Blog. I&#039;m also a contributor there, but there are some WAY knowledgeable investors who do nothing but what you&#039;re planning. It&#039;s on a much smaller scale, but they know exactly how to do it, various formulas, etc. I&#039;ll also be talkin&#039; with the owner of that site to get you specific names.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, now I&#8217;m with ya. Though I&#8217;ve done what you&#8217;re planning, I strongly suggest you go over to BiggerPockets Blog. I&#8217;m also a contributor there, but there are some WAY knowledgeable investors who do nothing but what you&#8217;re planning. It&#8217;s on a much smaller scale, but they know exactly how to do it, various formulas, etc. I&#8217;ll also be talkin&#8217; with the owner of that site to get you specific names.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: mikeybat</title>
		<link>http://bawldguy.com/love-high-cap-rates-me-too-ever-ask-yourself-why-theyre-high/#comment-1855</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeybat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 10:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was asking the wrong question; cap rates on rental properties doesn&#039;t really apply to my situation. Neither does long-term appreciation.

My investment strategy will be large-scale acquisition, renovation and disposition, using $10M startup capital from a VC fund.

The 40% return isn&#039;t what I&#039;m trying to get per property; that&#039;s the minimum return per year a VC fund typically expects on their investment. On a $10M investment, they want to see a minimum of $20M profit in 5 years. If they have 40% ownership in my corporation, that means I need to net a total of $50M in 5 years just to meet their minimum expectations. My main agenda right now is planning how I&#039;m going to make at least that much money in 5 years from $10M startup capital.   

What I should be asking is if you know the best way to calculate profits for a potential flip, and what sort of minimum return I should expect per property. I haven&#039;t looked around this site much yet; do you have an article posted with that information? Do you know anyone I should talk to or sites I should visit to learn more about my specific strategy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was asking the wrong question; cap rates on rental properties doesn&#8217;t really apply to my situation. Neither does long-term appreciation.</p>
<p>My investment strategy will be large-scale acquisition, renovation and disposition, using $10M startup capital from a VC fund.</p>
<p>The 40% return isn&#8217;t what I&#8217;m trying to get per property; that&#8217;s the minimum return per year a VC fund typically expects on their investment. On a $10M investment, they want to see a minimum of $20M profit in 5 years. If they have 40% ownership in my corporation, that means I need to net a total of $50M in 5 years just to meet their minimum expectations. My main agenda right now is planning how I&#8217;m going to make at least that much money in 5 years from $10M startup capital.   </p>
<p>What I should be asking is if you know the best way to calculate profits for a potential flip, and what sort of minimum return I should expect per property. I haven&#8217;t looked around this site much yet; do you have an article posted with that information? Do you know anyone I should talk to or sites I should visit to learn more about my specific strategy?</p>
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		<title>By: BawldGuy</title>
		<link>http://bawldguy.com/love-high-cap-rates-me-too-ever-ask-yourself-why-theyre-high/#comment-1854</link>
		<dc:creator>BawldGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikey -- 40%/yr in this market without the likelihood of appreciation, outside of the discount for which you bought it, will be a tall order indeed. 

By default then, cash flow is gonna be your trump card. I recommend you specialize more in location than cap rate. That said, given that you&#039;ll probably be buying a lot from banks, the cap rates should still be relatively high, even though location might be an &#039;A&#039;. 

Still, 40% is gonna be a tough road to navigate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikey &#8212; 40%/yr in this market without the likelihood of appreciation, outside of the discount for which you bought it, will be a tall order indeed. </p>
<p>By default then, cash flow is gonna be your trump card. I recommend you specialize more in location than cap rate. That said, given that you&#8217;ll probably be buying a lot from banks, the cap rates should still be relatively high, even though location might be an &#8216;A&#8217;. </p>
<p>Still, 40% is gonna be a tough road to navigate.</p>
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		<title>By: mikeybat</title>
		<link>http://bawldguy.com/love-high-cap-rates-me-too-ever-ask-yourself-why-theyre-high/#comment-1853</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeybat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BawldGuy: To balance things out between cash flow and capital appreciation, what is a good &quot;safe&quot; number to go with? Is a 5 cap too low? 

My interest is in running my venture as a big business, with big VC money and a large acquisition team, mostly working the flip angle with long-term holding of anything I can&#039;t flip in a month&#039;s time. To get a VC fund that magical 40% return per year, which end would be better to veer towards for considering long-term holding outcomes: cash flow or appreciation? In such a scenario, would 10 caps be a good idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BawldGuy: To balance things out between cash flow and capital appreciation, what is a good &#8220;safe&#8221; number to go with? Is a 5 cap too low? </p>
<p>My interest is in running my venture as a big business, with big VC money and a large acquisition team, mostly working the flip angle with long-term holding of anything I can&#8217;t flip in a month&#8217;s time. To get a VC fund that magical 40% return per year, which end would be better to veer towards for considering long-term holding outcomes: cash flow or appreciation? In such a scenario, would 10 caps be a good idea?</p>
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		<title>By: BawldGuy</title>
		<link>http://bawldguy.com/love-high-cap-rates-me-too-ever-ask-yourself-why-theyre-high/#comment-1852</link>
		<dc:creator>BawldGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rense -- Don&#039;t know -- why don&#039;t you tell me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rense &#8212; Don&#8217;t know &#8212; why don&#8217;t you tell me?</p>
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		<title>By: Renese</title>
		<link>http://bawldguy.com/love-high-cap-rates-me-too-ever-ask-yourself-why-theyre-high/#comment-1851</link>
		<dc:creator>Renese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what would be a good average cap rate for Class A office space in Fort Lauderdale area?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what would be a good average cap rate for Class A office space in Fort Lauderdale area?</p>
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		<title>By: On Cap Rates and Capital Growth &#124; The Wealth Building Guy</title>
		<link>http://bawldguy.com/love-high-cap-rates-me-too-ever-ask-yourself-why-theyre-high/#comment-1850</link>
		<dc:creator>On Cap Rates and Capital Growth &#124; The Wealth Building Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As Jeff Brown said this week: If growth is your primary goal, acquiring double digit cap rate properties will almost always have the following two consequences: [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As Jeff Brown said this week: If growth is your primary goal, acquiring double digit cap rate properties will almost always have the following two consequences: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BawldGuy</title>
		<link>http://bawldguy.com/love-high-cap-rates-me-too-ever-ask-yourself-why-theyre-high/#comment-1849</link>
		<dc:creator>BawldGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris -- After this comment I&#039;d be a cad if I didn&#039;t mail you a promotional fee. :)

The answer will show up today in a post. This is too good to pass up. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8212; After this comment I&#8217;d be a cad if I didn&#8217;t mail you a promotional fee. <img src='http://bawldguy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The answer will show up today in a post. This is too good to pass up. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Smith</title>
		<link>http://bawldguy.com/love-high-cap-rates-me-too-ever-ask-yourself-why-theyre-high/#comment-1848</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff your readers are gonna think I’m paying you a promotional fee...

OK agree with most of what you’ve written so I’ll ignore all of that stuff and focus on our “degree” of disagreement, as you artfully put it.  So here’s my question for you: If you had a $50 million dollar bill to invest would you buy a mansion in Beverly Hills or would you buy a block of duplexes in blue collar East LA?

Beverly Hills is high demand.  Having Steven Spielberg and Michael Eisner as your neighbors would be pretty cool.  High demand areas will always have a higher value than low demand areas, but it doesn’t follow that high demand areas will always appreciate faster.  If this were the case then the wealthy zip codes would steadily pull away from the poorer ones ad infinitum, but we know this isn’t the way that laws of economics work.  

I can’t answer my own hypothetical question because I don’t know Los Angeles, but I do know that I wouldn’t automatically gravitate towards the high demand area with the expectation that this would help me in the capital appreciation category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff your readers are gonna think I’m paying you a promotional fee&#8230;</p>
<p>OK agree with most of what you’ve written so I’ll ignore all of that stuff and focus on our “degree” of disagreement, as you artfully put it.  So here’s my question for you: If you had a $50 million dollar bill to invest would you buy a mansion in Beverly Hills or would you buy a block of duplexes in blue collar East LA?</p>
<p>Beverly Hills is high demand.  Having Steven Spielberg and Michael Eisner as your neighbors would be pretty cool.  High demand areas will always have a higher value than low demand areas, but it doesn’t follow that high demand areas will always appreciate faster.  If this were the case then the wealthy zip codes would steadily pull away from the poorer ones ad infinitum, but we know this isn’t the way that laws of economics work.  </p>
<p>I can’t answer my own hypothetical question because I don’t know Los Angeles, but I do know that I wouldn’t automatically gravitate towards the high demand area with the expectation that this would help me in the capital appreciation category.</p>
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		<title>By: BawldGuy</title>
		<link>http://bawldguy.com/love-high-cap-rates-me-too-ever-ask-yourself-why-theyre-high/#comment-1847</link>
		<dc:creator>BawldGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phoenix -- you said it. Cap rates are like almost seductive for some, hypnotic for others. Either way the results can be a sad surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phoenix &#8212; you said it. Cap rates are like almost seductive for some, hypnotic for others. Either way the results can be a sad surprise.</p>
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