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		<title>By: Why EIUL&#8217;s might outperform mutual funds! &#171; Uncommon Financial Wisdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why EIUL&#8217;s might outperform mutual funds! &#171; Uncommon Financial Wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might outperform mutual&#160;funds! October 11, 2008 Posted by shaferfinancial in Uncategorized.  trackback  Several months ago I posted on equity indexed universal life insurance products (EIUL) versusmutual funds on this and at Bawld Guy&#8217;s investment real estate blog .  There are always critics of this product that want to compare fee&#8217;s between the products.  No doubt, these products have fee&#8217;s, many times more fee&#8217;s than low expense mutual funds like Vanguard.  But, these folks miss the point.  It is all about the strategies employed.  Now, is a good time to talk how the basic strategy makes a difference.  EIUL&#8217;s have guaranteed rate of return, usually 2%.  They also have ceilings, like my favorite EIUL has a 30%/ two year ceiling.  Let&#8217;s look how this factor can benefit you in down years like this year. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] might outperform mutual&nbsp;funds! October 11, 2008 Posted by shaferfinancial in Uncategorized.  trackback  Several months ago I posted on equity indexed universal life insurance products (EIUL) versusmutual funds on this and at Bawld Guy&#8217;s investment real estate blog .  There are always critics of this product that want to compare fee&#8217;s between the products.  No doubt, these products have fee&#8217;s, many times more fee&#8217;s than low expense mutual funds like Vanguard.  But, these folks miss the point.  It is all about the strategies employed.  Now, is a good time to talk how the basic strategy makes a difference.  EIUL&#8217;s have guaranteed rate of return, usually 2%.  They also have ceilings, like my favorite EIUL has a 30%/ two year ceiling.  Let&#8217;s look how this factor can benefit you in down years like this year. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BawldGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BawldGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave and I make a killer team, don&#039;t we? Nothin&#039; but the straight stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave and I make a killer team, don&#8217;t we? Nothin&#8217; but the straight stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: David Shafer</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Shafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that advisor is looking after his pocketbook more than your nest egg.  First of all, its takes much longer than 3-5 years for a EIUL to start pruducing because of the front ended sales load.  Secondly, to then change to a VUL would add another commission to his pocketbook and force you to start again with the front loaded sales commission.  I think you can see how this makes absolutely no sense.  A EIUL might make sense for you long term, but there is a lot of missing information to be able to make that decision.  You are welcome to call me 727.804.9271 or e-mail dave@shaferwealthacademy.com to discuss, but don&#039;t do what this advisor is trying to sell you without talking to someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that advisor is looking after his pocketbook more than your nest egg.  First of all, its takes much longer than 3-5 years for a EIUL to start pruducing because of the front ended sales load.  Secondly, to then change to a VUL would add another commission to his pocketbook and force you to start again with the front loaded sales commission.  I think you can see how this makes absolutely no sense.  A EIUL might make sense for you long term, but there is a lot of missing information to be able to make that decision.  You are welcome to call me 727.804.9271 or e-mail <a href="mailto:dave@shaferwealthacademy.com">dave@shaferwealthacademy.com</a> to discuss, but don&#8217;t do what this advisor is trying to sell you without talking to someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 51. All my life I was a tradesman making in the low 5 figures. I was in the right place at the right time and now make in the very high 5 figures, plus bonuses. In about 2 years or less I will have all debts paid off except my mortgage. I will have about $1000 a month to invest (that I dont need for any living expenses).

An advisor is trying to push me into an EIUL, stating that is would be a &quot;nestegg builder&quot; for 3-5 years, then we would convert it to a VUL. What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 51. All my life I was a tradesman making in the low 5 figures. I was in the right place at the right time and now make in the very high 5 figures, plus bonuses. In about 2 years or less I will have all debts paid off except my mortgage. I will have about $1000 a month to invest (that I dont need for any living expenses).</p>
<p>An advisor is trying to push me into an EIUL, stating that is would be a &#8220;nestegg builder&#8221; for 3-5 years, then we would convert it to a VUL. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to have the problem where I had &quot;extra&quot; money that needed protected. ;)

Hopefully some of my questions helped others as well.  Thanks for the explanations!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to have the problem where I had &#8220;extra&#8221; money that needed protected. <img src='http://bawldguy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hopefully some of my questions helped others as well.  Thanks for the explanations!</p>
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		<title>By: David Shafer</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Shafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua,
First the easy one, the last one.  No an EIUL will not allow you to pick your investment. A varible universal life insurance product will.

Your first question is a little hard for me to answer, because it is not clear to me what you are trying to do.  As I pointed out in the post, EIULs are for hedging against inflation and taxes assuming you have a wealth creating engine up and running.  If you don&#039;t have a wealth creation plan, up and running, then it is a little premature to think about EIULs.

Question: Do you have 6 months reserves in a liquid account?
Question: What is your wealth creating plan?
Question: How much insurance do you need right now to protect your family?
Question: How much do you have each month to put into an investment plan?

Basically, EIULs are a long term solution to cash buildup problems.  They are expensive, compared to term life policies which give you only the insurance each year.  To make them work properly that have to be set up to minimize the face value of insurance and maximize the cash value side.  They also have front loaded fees which create short term problems with the cash value. So in other words, if you aren&#039;t planning to allow 10 years to elapse until you start accessing the cash value, then EIULs is not a great product for you.
Now, if you have a wealth building plan in place, you have cash flow being created that needs to be protected against future taxes, and you have all the basics covered (reserve account, term insurance for short term protection of family, etc.) then you should consider an EIUL which should give you a moderate rate of return, protection from the tax man, ability to withdraw cash value tax free, and a death protection that passes to your heirs tax free (unless you break the estate tax limit).

I know this is a little long winded, but I don&#039;t want to misrepresent what EIULs are and what they are properly used for.  Further, I hope you talk to me 727.804.9271 or dave@shaferwealthacademy.com in order to get a handle on your total wealth building picture.  Because blogs don&#039;t allow for the totality of expression that needs to happen in order to understand each other!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua,<br />
First the easy one, the last one.  No an EIUL will not allow you to pick your investment. A varible universal life insurance product will.</p>
<p>Your first question is a little hard for me to answer, because it is not clear to me what you are trying to do.  As I pointed out in the post, EIULs are for hedging against inflation and taxes assuming you have a wealth creating engine up and running.  If you don&#8217;t have a wealth creation plan, up and running, then it is a little premature to think about EIULs.</p>
<p>Question: Do you have 6 months reserves in a liquid account?<br />
Question: What is your wealth creating plan?<br />
Question: How much insurance do you need right now to protect your family?<br />
Question: How much do you have each month to put into an investment plan?</p>
<p>Basically, EIULs are a long term solution to cash buildup problems.  They are expensive, compared to term life policies which give you only the insurance each year.  To make them work properly that have to be set up to minimize the face value of insurance and maximize the cash value side.  They also have front loaded fees which create short term problems with the cash value. So in other words, if you aren&#8217;t planning to allow 10 years to elapse until you start accessing the cash value, then EIULs is not a great product for you.<br />
Now, if you have a wealth building plan in place, you have cash flow being created that needs to be protected against future taxes, and you have all the basics covered (reserve account, term insurance for short term protection of family, etc.) then you should consider an EIUL which should give you a moderate rate of return, protection from the tax man, ability to withdraw cash value tax free, and a death protection that passes to your heirs tax free (unless you break the estate tax limit).</p>
<p>I know this is a little long winded, but I don&#8217;t want to misrepresent what EIULs are and what they are properly used for.  Further, I hope you talk to me 727.804.9271 or <a href="mailto:dave@shaferwealthacademy.com">dave@shaferwealthacademy.com</a> in order to get a handle on your total wealth building picture.  Because blogs don&#8217;t allow for the totality of expression that needs to happen in order to understand each other!</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might be strange, but I&#039;ll try not to be a stranger. ;)  Those make sense to me.

My question in response would be.. how am I paying for the insurance part of it?

If I take out a $1m policy via a EIUL how much must I put in just to pay for the policy and what portion of that amount would be cash I could take out?

Maybe it would be boiling it down to too simple of terms but would this describe a EIUL more easily for newbies like me to understand?

&quot;So I have a savings account, that gives me a death benefit, where I can earn interest and add/widthraw unlimited amounts of money totally tax free for the life of the account&quot;

Does that boil it down?  Also, am I allowed to pick my own investments with in it or is it managed for me?

Look at me blabber on... I&#039;ll leave it at those questions for now.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might be strange, but I&#8217;ll try not to be a stranger. <img src='http://bawldguy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   Those make sense to me.</p>
<p>My question in response would be.. how am I paying for the insurance part of it?</p>
<p>If I take out a $1m policy via a EIUL how much must I put in just to pay for the policy and what portion of that amount would be cash I could take out?</p>
<p>Maybe it would be boiling it down to too simple of terms but would this describe a EIUL more easily for newbies like me to understand?</p>
<p>&#8220;So I have a savings account, that gives me a death benefit, where I can earn interest and add/widthraw unlimited amounts of money totally tax free for the life of the account&#8221;</p>
<p>Does that boil it down?  Also, am I allowed to pick my own investments with in it or is it managed for me?</p>
<p>Look at me blabber on&#8230; I&#8217;ll leave it at those questions for now.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: BawldGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BawldGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there ya go. Hope that helps, Joshua. Thanks for the question, as I&#039;m sure you were speaking for many others.

Don&#039;t be a stranger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there ya go. Hope that helps, Joshua. Thanks for the question, as I&#8217;m sure you were speaking for many others.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be a stranger.</p>
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		<title>By: David Shafer</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Shafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua, there are rules for the Roth IRAs as well as regular IRAs.  You can access your Roth up to the amount of your total contributions (inputs) tax free.  However, for the rest they must pass these tests:

In order for a distribution or withdrawal from your Roth IRA to be TAX FREE it has to be qualified. For distributions to be qualified, they must not be made until five years after the Roth IRA is set up. In addition to the five year test, a qualified distribution must be made for one of the following reasons:

the owner reaches age 59 1/2 
the death of the owner 
the disability of the owner 
first time home buyer expense up to $10,000

There is also the problem of an upper limit of $5,000 per year inputs, which might not matter now, but likely will in the future.

Joshua, take the match, but don&#039;t put a penny more in.

Finally, you are seriously underinsured.  $50,000 will last your family exactly how long?  I mean at your age, unless you have serious health issues you can get $1M term insurance for peanuts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua, there are rules for the Roth IRAs as well as regular IRAs.  You can access your Roth up to the amount of your total contributions (inputs) tax free.  However, for the rest they must pass these tests:</p>
<p>In order for a distribution or withdrawal from your Roth IRA to be TAX FREE it has to be qualified. For distributions to be qualified, they must not be made until five years after the Roth IRA is set up. In addition to the five year test, a qualified distribution must be made for one of the following reasons:</p>
<p>the owner reaches age 59 1/2<br />
the death of the owner<br />
the disability of the owner<br />
first time home buyer expense up to $10,000</p>
<p>There is also the problem of an upper limit of $5,000 per year inputs, which might not matter now, but likely will in the future.</p>
<p>Joshua, take the match, but don&#8217;t put a penny more in.</p>
<p>Finally, you are seriously underinsured.  $50,000 will last your family exactly how long?  I mean at your age, unless you have serious health issues you can get $1M term insurance for peanuts!</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I see how this differs from a Roth IRA?  Can I not withdraw my contributions tax free whenever I want and I can invest in anything I need.  I don&#039;t have the insurance portion of it but, as Brian said, the company pays.  So at my young age and limited wealth I have a $50k policy to help my family and I can invest in whatever I want in my Roth IRA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I see how this differs from a Roth IRA?  Can I not withdraw my contributions tax free whenever I want and I can invest in anything I need.  I don&#8217;t have the insurance portion of it but, as Brian said, the company pays.  So at my young age and limited wealth I have a $50k policy to help my family and I can invest in whatever I want in my Roth IRA.</p>
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