Seeking Truth? Or Seeking Support For Your Position?

I’ll begin this post by pleading guilty to what follows. It takes one to know one. :) Learn from my experience — regardless of our will to control — things change. We can either go with the flow and benefit from the new paradigm — or suffer the consequences.

People are funny. We wanna do something. We don’t know for sure whether it’s the right something — but we know for sure we wanna do it. It’s kinda sorta reverse science. Instead of offering an hypothesis followed by attempts to test the hypothesis, they instead look for evidence — however thin or out of context — to support their position. I know this to be true, because sadly, I defended San Diego investment property a year or two beyond what the empirical evidence supported. I was simply blinded by decades of experience and blind to the changes happening before my very own baby blues.

those who refuse to see

Some real estate investors are so ensconced in their incredibly underperforming investments — they refuse to see the evidence demonstrating the error of their ways. I used to be one of them. Here’s what we did at our meetings. :)

In markets like we see in California, i.e. very expensive, real estate investors now find themselves owners of income property offering everything but — competitive capital growth and no negative cash flow. Yet they’ll talk ‘tlll they’re blue in the face defending their decision to remain. The status quo is just too comfortable, and the option to change just too much of unknown for them.

I’m not judging here, as I did the same thing myself. I probably should’ve left San Diego two years before I did. It finally came to the point where I could no longer defend San Diego numbers. I did what people are still doing today. It boggles the mind — but since I did it too, I’ll not cast stones. Here are some of the pieces of ‘evidence’ the ‘stay local’ crowd proffers.

  • I can drive to the property
  • Property in San Diego, Orange County, L.A. Palo Alto, etc. is always in demand
  • Rents just never stop goin’ up here
  • 40-50% down to a break-even makes sense with superior appreciation
  • There are still investors out there impervious to significant negative cash flow
  • Absolutely no ‘outa state’ location is nearly as cool as mine
  • I got out in late ’03 — advising all my clients to sell San Diego and Get Outa Dodge.

    San Diego property values have been dropping since late ’05. Same for Orange and L.A. Counties. Palo Alto? It’s a paradise on earth. If you haven’t been there, it’s difficult to describe. They don’t live in our world, not even close. Everyone is a six figure wage earner, an MBA or Ph.D, and have kids literally playing in competitive organized chess tournaments — at four years old. Simply put, Palo Alto lives up to its press clippings. We loved it there. What a gorgeous place to live.

    But…

    Many investors find themselves with rentals costing them $2,000 a month to own. That’s almost $25,000 a year in negative cash flow — and it’s not the exception to the rule. Also, it makes no sense to endure negative cash flows just because you can. The idea is to end up with the most capital gain possible, right? Right.

    Several investors this weekend told me first hand — buying Palo Alto income property requires 40-50% down just to avoid negative cash flow. Wow.

    Do the numbers, they’re easy. If you can buy 4-5 times the dollar amount of property with the same exact capital, the more leveraged property only has to experience 20-35% of your ‘superior’ area’s rate to keep up. Ask yourself…

    Calling a banana an apple

    But before you ask yourself the next question, ponder the following.

    Pause — See a recurring trend here? When is a banana not a banana? Uh, what? What’d'ya mean it’s not an apple — it says ‘apple’ right on it — are you blind, oh Bawld One?

    OK, back to the next question.

    What if you executed a tax deferred exchange into 4 times the property and experienced 1/3 the appreciation? Confused? Don’t be — let’s look at the dollars, cuz that’s what we deposit in our bank account, right?

    For this example we’ll use $400,000 (40% down payment) as the original capital invested into the ‘superior’ area’s $1 Million property. Compare that to using the same capital amount as 10% down somewhere outa state.

    We’ll use 15% appreciation for ‘Premium area’ and 5% for ‘Outa State area’.

    15% X $1 Million = $150,000

    5% X $4 Million = $200,000

    The so called ‘inferior’ region produced a capital growth rate of 50%. The gold encrusted ‘super region’ just 37.5% — and the difference will only become larger with each passing year. In terms of dollars, the outa state investor is already ahead a cool $50,000 the first 12 months.

    Now, compound that over the next 15-30 years, and you’ll begin to get the big picture.

    Here’s another pragmatic thought to ponder.

    Your income property, located in paradise already requires 40-50% down just to avoid negative cash flow. Even if your stuff does appreciate 15% annually for the next 3 years, what Einstein is gonna pay you $1.5 Million for a property which by then will surely require 50-60% down?

    Or…

    Say you find a buyer — you gonna take your net proceeds and buy a $2 Million single family or duplex surrender flagrental in the same area? Really? At least while you’re alone, be honest with yourself and come to at least one supportable conclusion. And what is that?

    In 3 short years the outa state investor has already taken a 6-figure lead on capital growth in terms of dollars. What’d'ya think it’ll be in 10 years? 20? 30?

    Please — wave the white flag — yer killin’ me.

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    2. San Diego Real Estate Investors — How’s That Income Property Workin’ For Ya So Far?
    3. San Diego Real Estate Investors — Some Reasons to Invest Out of State — Try Texas
    4. Your Retirement: Financial Position Above the Poverty Level?
    5. The Learning Curve of a Recovering Attorney Turned Real Estate Investor — Escaping From Dodge
    About BawldGuy

    I'm second generation real estate, first licensed in fall of 1969. Having been mentored by several iconic brokers, I'm also CCIM trained, having completed all 200 hours back in 1980. Have successfully executed well over 200 tax deferred exchanges, many of which have been multi-state in nature. Strong points are analysis and the creation and real world application of Purposeful Plans employing several strategies synergistically. The idea is to arrive at retirement with the most after tax income possible, backed by the largest net worth.

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    Comments

    1. A case well argued. We have similar issues facing Boston investors. How are you reconciling the travel issue with investors in your area? Maybe you already have this in previous posts but- how do you handle management with out-of-state investments? I assume a local company, but what sort of fees are you seeing for the smaller multis?

    2. Jeff,

      Thanks for the quick, straight forward seminar on the value of investing out of state. Sorry I had to leave a little early but had family emergency at home (everyone is ok now). Next time your down here I would be happy to take you on some awesome hikes like the PG&E trail.

    3. BawldGuy says:

      Brecht — Management is definitely on the ‘A’ list. We do our own search, interviewing them in person while in their city. Our policy is to have our entire team in place, including management before we even think about bringing a client there.

      This has proven to be an effective approach. Our Boise investors for instance, rant and rave about our management team there. Have we made mistakes? Yep — but we immediately call our best friend, Southwest, and take care of it.

      In our opinion, the #1 factor in our outa state success is doing things with OUR boots on the ground. We don’t believe anyone until we’ve been there and done that ourselves — on the ground. There’s nothin’ like lookin’ folks in the eye when you’re taking them for a test drive — know what I mean, Verne? :)

      What’s your experience?

    4. BawldGuy says:

      Hey Dave — That sounds great. Those pics were killer. We have something akin to that on Cowles Mountain in the San Diego’s East County. It takes about 25-35 minutes to climb up, and the views are breathtaking to say the least.

      We’ll see you next time, and we’re happy to hear all turned out well with your emergency.

    5. Brecht says:

      Truth be told I haven’t put anybody into out-of-state property except for some TIC placement and that’s a different animal. I’ve been under the assumption that unless we’re talking about a pretty sizable complex the management is hard to find or else disproportionally expensive. Incorrect?

    6. BawldGuy says:

      Brecht — It’s not easy to find, but not as hard as you may think. It takes a lot of time and effort — and it helps if you’ve managed property yourself at some point. :)

      It’s usually not that expensive in and of itself. The quality and competence is what matters. That said, we’re also able to negotiate discounts for our clients due to the amount of business be command.

      So we acquire solid local management expertise at a lower price than the locals pay. Pretty cool, eh?

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